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Rivian Adventure Network sites should be excluded since they are not available to use for most EVs.
Rivian forums have their own trackers anyway.
Rivian forums have their own trackers anyway.
Rivian is a small startup, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes bankrupt in a couple of years. Rivian owners are a small fraction of EV owners.At some point I will offer a provider filter on the map, which will allow you to "hide" the Rivian network if you don't want to see it.
I don't agree that I shouldn't include Rivian here, as it's not as if there aren't (or won't be) plenty of Rivian owners as well that may want to come here to peruse the data/forums. Besides, who knows if they might not eventually open up their network to other brands in the future.
I would include Tesla here as well if not for the fact that this site is pretty much a parallel site to supercharge.info/TMC and I'm not out to compete with them (particularly since the code base I use essentially came from them).
The point is to set a precedent, so we don't have to "cross that bridge".Why don't we cross that bridge when we get to it.
My point is that people come to this site to look for information about public chargers.I think your hypothetical example is quite far-fetched and at the very least far-off.
But let's play out your Rivian bankruptcy scenario a bit. Let's say that in fact they do wind up going down that road. What do you think will happen to their Adventure Network fastchargers? Two possibilities: they are simply abandoned and go offline, or they are sold to a winning bidder (a likely outcome as part of any reorganization plan) that will incorporate them into their network. If the former, the sites can merely be deleted, but if the more likely latter is the result, they are already in the database and merely need to be remapped to a new provider (which already has and continues to happen today). A third possibility, that I think is even more likely in the event Rivian experiences financial difficulties is that they decide to open up their network to other makes anyway.
Other carmakers are also introducing charging networks (e.g. Ford). They may or may not be publicly accessible. Is there a particular sized manufacturer that would be acceptable to consider?
And is there a particular point in time where the Rivian bankruptcy scenario is no longer considered likely?
What about other networks that face potential bankruptcy? You and others have been outspoken critics of Francis Energy because they can't seem to get their act together. Should I not include that network because it's too risky and seems unlikely to survive? Or how about all these networks that have fewer (known) sites than Rivian:
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What are their long term prospects? Should I just ignore them because they haven't yet proven themselves?
Actually I'm having a hard time understanding what your particular issue with having Rivian (or any other network's) chargers here is. Is it actually causing a real problem for you, or is it just annoying to you because you wouldn't be able to use those chargers? Would LEAF owners be upset that they can't use many of the chargers?
What about people with Rivians? Do they not count? I realize that you may not care about that network, but I don't think you speak for everyone who might visit this site.My point is that people come to this site to look for information about public chargers.
For kicks I went out to see what alternatives were out there, and while I did find two Rivian forums, only one had a forum dedicated to the Rivian Adventure Network, and even then the information was not presented the way it is here. So if I can provide a helpful way to offer useful information to Rivian owners, and then come to this site and then contribute to other discussions about other fastcharger networks (which they can always use), then it's a win/win.People don't come here to look for information about Tesla Superchargers.
If they want to look for information about Tesla Superchargers, they will go elsewhere (i.e. supercharge.info)
It's the same case with the Rivian Adventure Network.
Maybe that's the case for you to set up rivianadvanture.info, but adding the Rivian Adventure network on this site doesn't make any more sense than adding the Supercharger network on this site.What about people with Rivians? Do they not count? I realize that you may not care about that network, but I don't think you speak for everyone who might visit this site.
For kicks I went out to see what alternatives were out there, and while I did find two Rivian forums, only one had a forum dedicated to the Rivian Adventure Network, and even then the information was not presented the way it is here. So if I can provide a helpful way to offer useful information to Rivian owners, and then come to this site and then contribute to other discussions about other fastcharger networks (which they can always use), then it's a win/win.
And again, are you saying that the fact that there is information here about the Rivian Adventure Network somehow prevents those that don't necessarily use the RAN from getting information they seek? I mean I have information here about fastchargers all over the country, but your average site visitor probably cares very little about chargers that are outside of places that they travel.
My concern is consistency and precedence rather than anything specifically to do with Rivian.If an when the Rivian Adventure Network becomes large enough to warrant its own dedicated site, perhaps that is an option. But it certainly isn't there today, and with your prediction of Rivian bankruptcy in a couple of years ends up becoming reality, then that may never happen anyway and you will have little to worry about with the network clogging up this site (or whatever it is that you have a problem with having those sites listed here).
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
I agree.Since you all could probably use a 3rd party opinion, I would vote FOR including the RAN charger locations. I view this site as CCS compatible stations more than I do public stations. And, I expect the RAN will eventually be accessible to all CCS vehicles down the line. Rivian has stated as much.
Yes they plan to, however, it doesn't exactly say when (for opening up their DCFC 'Rivian Adventure Network'). It could be over a year from now. Once they do become open to the public, then hopefully they'd be listed on here.Stumbled upon this thread. Recalled a related article or two out there.
Rivian To Open Its EV Charging Network To The Public -- Apr 19, 2023 at 12:40pm ET
Rivian To Open Its EV Charging Network To The Public
Rivian is following Tesla by deploying a proprietary network of DC fast chargers and Level 2 chargers, and it's moving more quickly than you might expect.insideevs.com
Related Google search: Rivian Open EV Charging Network To The Public - Google Search